Gay unions

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 9:00 pm

Personally, I'm against marriage in general, but if two homosexuals want to get married, why should we have a Constitutional amendment to stop it?

I've actually felt jealousy over the loving relationship my brother has with his companion. I'm so glad there is someone there for him during his slow demise.

I'm likely to die alone.

What's wrong with it? Hey, they got to hide their love away? Why should anyone else care? Because their preacher said so? I suspect...

...and I want someone to tell me what exactly is wrong with gay marriage.

...and why we need a law to ban it.

Boy With A Problem · Post by **Boy With A Problem** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:46 pm

what rope said.

Post by **spooky girlfriend** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:47 pm

Yeah.

sulkygirl · Post by **sulkygirl** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:59 pm

If marriage is simply a ceremony of commitment to each other, why should gay couples be banned?? I mean, if 2 people love each other enough to commit to one another for the rest of their lives, who's business is it, but theirs??

SweetPear · Post by **SweetPear** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:13 am

Sure, why not.....whose business is it anyway?
I tend to think of marriage in more of a religious sense, as a sacrament. I don't see why legality should enter into it at all....for anyone.
When you think about it, all marriage really is (and should be) is a ceramony between two peolpe expressing their love and devotion and commitment to eachother.
We need laws for this?
Stuff like this is all much too personal for anyone not directly involved to even care about.

laughingcrow · Post by **laughingcrow** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:03 am

Yeah... good luck to them. I guess that if two men or women have been together for most of their lives, then one dies without legally leaving the other anything in terms of pensions, insurance, house ownership, possessions, etc. But most importantly, why shouldnt they have the right to commit to one another? Noone gets hurt...no problem....you'd think!

Copenhagen Fan · Post by **Copenhagen Fan** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 6:01 am

I'm all for the romantic institution and think that gays should have the right to get married!!

By the way, I just experienced the most powerful display of gay love in San Francisco at the Folsom Street Fair....where the gays are the real men and the straight boys run for their life. Never seen so much testosterone in my life.

Pov · Post by **Pov** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:27 am

I said yes and I think that committed gay couples should have the same rights as committed heterosexual couples. However, I think that a lot of trouble could be avoided if we didn't call it "marriage." What's wrong with a legally recognized "commitment ceremony" or something like that?

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:33 am

Okay, "No" voters! Tell me WHY!

bambooneedle · Post by **bambooneedle** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:41 am

They should have the same legal rights. Maybe "no" voters already disagree with some of the legal 'rights' straight couples have, so they don't want homosexuals to also have them, but that would be a separate issue.

so lacklustre · Post by **so lacklustre** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 8:03 am

I've always said that marriage is for suckers

.

I do believe that gay couples should have the same rights as heterosexuals, however the rights of unmarried (het) couples need to be improved. If you've been living together for any length of time you should not be denied basic human rights just because you neglected to go through a dated ceremony.

Post by **spooky girlfriend** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 8:15 am

I think unfortunately it is still a lingering attitude that "it's not the way it's supposed to be." We can develop new technology, cures for diseases, push the envelope in almost every other direction, but we can't acknowledge something other than a man and a woman doing it missionary style? Come on.

After realizing years into my first marriage that there was actually no love there, and then being lucky enough to recapture lost love on the second try, I now know that it's important to find love AT ALL, however you find it. And the same way I'm free to express love to my husband should be available to any couple who is willing to make a go of things in this world.

Ha' Penny Millionaire · Fri Aug 01, 2003 8:15 am

A very dear friend of mine, who happens to be an apolitical lesbian, had this to say after the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling decriminalizing same-sex sodomy: "If the conservative right wing really wants to end gay sex, it ought to legalize gay marriage."

Later.

Post by **BlueChair** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 10:54 am

The bottom line is that politicians in secular countries can't allow their religious beliefs to influence laws. I think that's a big reason why it's legal in Canada now.

Unfortunately, your president is a rule-abiding Christian (well, sort of), who allows his beliefs to take precidence over the fact that he governs a country with so many different types of people, wether it be differences in race, religion, or sexuality. He needs to realize that he governs a country where not everyone respects or cares what the Pope has to say.

pip_52 · Post by **pip_52** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 11:10 am

Im not really very big on the institution of marraige but as long as heterosexual couples have the right to marry, the same rights should apply to homosexual couples. Also for common law marraiges, those people who have lived together as partners for years and years . . .

LessThanZero · Post by **LessThanZero** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:38 pm

I got one of my "jokes" used on the air at my talk-radio internship, and it's all due to the gay and lesbian "public" school in new york hype.

"They'll have one of the best teen-pregnancy rates in the world!"

I always thought High School was gay.

Poppet · Post by **Poppet** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:49 pm

that civil union stuff doesn't quite cut it though - how do you get civilly un-unionized? according to a recent article in the boston globe, many courts won't grant a divorce to a civilly unionized couple. so how do you untangle all that stuff that you so easily entangled???

now *that* would be a mess. divorce is ugly enough, but having to break apart every tie separately? hello bankruptcy. hello insanity.

obviously civil union by itself isn't the answer.

LessThanZero · Post by **LessThanZero** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:55 pm

Hello, Goodbye

LessThanZero · Post by **LessThanZero** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 2:55 pm

Hello Goodbye Girl

bambooneedle · Post by **bambooneedle** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:15 pm

There's a lot of free related info on the following site. All about civil unions, cohabitation agreements, wills, gay couples, etc. Obviously the laws from place to place would vary about what is possible, so that would have to be checked out, as I intend to do. Poppet, I suspect a civil union contract wouldn't be unlike a business contract in that you could stipulate conditions yourself, including about the best ways it might end....don't know much yet.

http://www.unmarried.org/res.html#legal
http://www.unmarried.org/faq.html

double dutchess · Post by **double dutchess** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:29 pm

I voted Yes, but I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said.

I have a wife. Or, I would if our marrige was legally upheld in Virginia. And if the guy who performed the ceremony hadn't been ordained on the internet.

bambooneedle · Post by **bambooneedle** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:38 pm

Be My Wife. Otis likes that song...

SoLikeCandy · Post by **SoLikeCandy** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 4:40 pm

To legally mandate that gays and lesbians cannot legally be recognized as couples is insane. However, the civil union thing does indeed open a can of worms: if gays can do it, what about unmarried heteros who just don't want to take that extra step and get hitched?

The idea behind marriage is SUPPOSED to be about sharing one's life with someone else; proclaiming his/her dedication to his/her partner.

Marriage is really about health benefits, who gets the house when one person dies, making sure the kids have two parents, lower insurance rates, etc.

All of those things--the ideal and the reality--are things to which gay people are entitled. If a man chooses to spend his life with one man, have a couple of kids, buy a house and save up for retirement, he should have the right to be treated like any other man who wants the same thing.

Fuckin' Republicans...

LessThanZero · Post by **LessThanZero** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:43 pm

SoLikeCandy wrote:If a man chooses to spend his life with one man, have a couple of kids...

???

A rope leash · Post by **A rope leash** » Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:51 pm

I wonder if the gay school in New York is a good idea. Why are they separating them from the rest of society? For their own protection?

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