The Politics of Politics: The Ride of a Lifetime

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oily slick wrote:brokaw cooing over her and indicating the dems are probably happy there will not be another debate is pandering to the fear the media could have that they are viewed as picking on her.
Brokaw is NBC's official ambassador to the McCain campaign ever since they threw a hissy fit about Olbermann. Greatest generation bullshit. Obama better beware of the debate he is moderating. I expect some real softballs for The Maverick(TM).

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If she was a man they'd murder him.
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Sorry, Mood, missed the debates. I despise Biden, and Palin...well there's just better ways to spend one's time. Just because these two clowns have been selected by their parties as VP candidates doesn't mean that a word they say is worth listening to. I've heard Biden pontificate and grandstand to cover up his basic lack of IQ for, well over 20 years I think, since the Supreme Court nominating procedure got exciting. He's a moron with a demagogic streak. Palin? What does Sarah Palin know that I don't already know? I read the papers, you know.

While these clowns were "debating", I went over to my computer and made the following journey proving once again the beauty and educational value of net surfing: Visited the EC site (of course), then Marshall Cranshaw's site, and then the Tennis Magazine site (one of my faves) where I caught up on one of my favorite writers, who did a riff on Paul Newman's passing and linked to a YouTube clip from The Hustler, apropos of an analogy between how pros at their craft (tennis or pool hustlers) respect each other in exactly the same way. That clip was linked to a series of clips about billiards, a game i've never played, and I spent the next two hours surfing through billiards clips as if billiards had been my whole life. Then off to bed and a dream where I visited Lil Wayne, Timbaland and a female rapper whose name now escapes me at their shanty-like home in The Bronx, and got into a "debate" with them about how Marvin Gaye and James Brown knew how to live like stars. Jayz said something about street cred, man... and that's all I remember. I'm at work now.

But this is politics, right? As I've noted before, this election is over, and has been over ever since Obama defeated Hillary. That was our real election. My democrat friends, congenitally fretful souls that they are just can't get used to this. They should begin the party celebrations. Party, party.
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Sorry I asked.
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mood swung wrote:
Soccer-mom, my ass.
She's a HOCKEY mom. HOCKEY. Soccer moms won't have her.

Seriously, I think this was the first debate I ever watched and did not sleep thru. I counted 3 winks. WINKING! in a debate!!!
I thought of you so much during that debate, Moody. I could almost hear you saying exactly this post!
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I thought Palin did just fine, Marge Gundersonisms aside. After her trainwreck of an interview with Katie Couric, I was definitely beginning to wonder. I think with this debate she proved that she is sharp, articulate, can think on her feet, and I have no doubt that she could lead this country (with the help of a small army of advisors hiding behind some curtains).

Biden made some points that I agreed with and some that I disagreed with, as did Palin. They gay marriage topic had me confused. At first Biden sounded like he was all in favor of it, then a few moments later, exactly the opposite. Can anyone explain that to me?

Overall, I think both of them did fairly well. I didn't watch any of the analysis afterwards, except for a few brief comments from Geraldine Ferraro who I thought gave a pretty good summary.

Biden is fine. Palin is fine. They're just VP candidates afterall. The real focus should be on McCain vs. Obama, and I don't think there are really any striking differences between the two. Afghanistan/Iraq troop # allocations maybe or the actual cause of global warming. So what. Neither will fix healthcare. Neither will have much impact on fixing the economy. Neither will fix the energy problem, and on and on and on. We're screwed!
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If Sarah Palin is qualified to step in as President then we might as well pluck a random person off the street and give him/her the job.

IMO she demonstrated no ability to "think on her feet". That's what was most troubling. All she could do was recite talking points from memory, change the question or throw in a a zinger or two that her handlers had provided.

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Emotional Toothpaste wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:
Hey, at least you have a sense of humor about it. My in-laws were here visiting recently and they're both McCain/Palin fans. Lovely people, but our politics are polar opposites. I really had to bite my tongue. No point in trying to "convert" them, as they are both in their 70s and pretty stuck in their ways.
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Why is socialism better than Palin?
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The National Review's Rich Lowery liked Palin's performance...
A very wise TV executive once told me that the key to TV is projecting through the screen. It's one of the keys to the success of, say, a Bill O'Reilly, who comes through the screen and grabs you by the throat. Palin too projects through the screen like crazy. I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America
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:lol: :lol:
Why don't you write about it in your blag?
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mood swung wrote:
Soccer-mom, my ass.
She's a HOCKEY mom. HOCKEY. Soccer moms won't have her.

I stand corrected and embarassed. :shock: :lol: :lol:
I'm really hoping that there are a lot of soccer AND hockey moms that won't have her.
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My friends, did anyone watch that stinking corpse of a debate last night?

If McCain said "my friends" one more time . . .

Even the normally smoove Obama was off-balance and dodging questions with re-run vagaries.

It was a Town Hall NIGHTMARE - complete with Tom Brokaw talking about Zen-like qualities of a dumb question and then the bright red carpet and idiots who can't even recite their own NBC-vetted questions? I came away more worried about our country than ever.
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Well, my friends, even though as a "typical voter" I'd probably never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac before this recent crisis, I can tell you that "that one" won the debate.
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McCain = gnome. Just needs a pointy red hat.
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My friends I did not enjoy it.
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I propose a drinking game for the next debate. Each time one of these phrases is mentioned, you must drink:

"my friends"
"main street/wall street"
"three letters - K, G, B"
"failed policies of the current administration"
"Fannie Mae / Freddy Mac"
"stinking corpse"
"reach across the aisle"
"sit down at the table together"
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Emotional Toothpaste wrote:I propose a drinking game for the next debate. Each time one of these phrases is mentioned, you must drink:

"my friends"
"main street/wall street"
"three letters - K, G, B"
"failed policies of the current administration"
"Fannie Mae / Freddy Mac"
"stinking corpse"
"reach across the aisle"
"sit down at the table together"
I wouldn't be able to get through the first half hour!
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My kids thought that McCain looked a lot like Senator Palpatine (sp?) from Star Wars. They cited the constant blinking and tongue flicking as dead-givaways.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YInuTc3C3jM
A Palin supporter freaking out because some Palin photo in a magazine wasn't airbrushed! You can tell she hasn't had a deeply satisfying orgasm in more than 5 years.
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bambooneedle wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YInuTc3C3jM
A Palin supporter freaking out because some Palin photo in a magazine wasn't airbrushed! You can tell she hasn't had a deeply satisfying orgasm is more than 5 years.
That takes the cake! Good to see Faux tackling the big issues.
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William F. Buckley's son endorses Obama. Good read...
Sorry, Dad, I'm Voting for Obama
by Christopher Buckley
October 10, 2008 | 7:33am

The son of William F. Buckley has decided—shock!—to vote for a Democrat.

Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon. It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance.

Or would they? But let’s get that part out of the way. The only reason my vote would be of any interest to anyone is that my last name happens to be Buckley—a name I inherited. So in the event anyone notices or cares, the headline will be: “William F. Buckley’s Son Says He Is Pro-Obama.” I know, I know: It lacks the throw-weight of “Ron Reagan Jr. to Address Democratic Convention,” but it’ll have to do.

Dear Pup once said to me, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”

I am—drum roll, please, cue trumpets—making this announcement in the cyberpages of The Daily Beast (what joy to be writing for a publication so named!) rather than in the pages of National Review, where I write the back-page column. For a reason: My colleague, the superb and very dishy Kathleen Parker, recently wrote in National Review Online a column stating what John Cleese as Basil Fawlty would call “the bleeding obvious”: namely, that Sarah Palin is an embarrassment, and a dangerous one at that. She’s not exactly alone. New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at NR, just called Governor Palin “a cancer on the Republican Party.”

As for Kathleen, she has to date received 12,000 (quite literally) foam-at-the-mouth hate-emails. One correspondent, if that’s quite the right word, suggested that Kathleen’s mother should have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a Dumpster. There’s Socratic dialogue for you. Dear Pup once said to me sighfully after a right-winger who fancied himself a WFB protégé had said something transcendently and provocatively cretinous, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.” Well, the dear man did his best. At any rate, I don’t have the kidney at the moment for 12,000 emails saying how good it is he’s no longer alive to see his Judas of a son endorse for the presidency a covert Muslim who pals around with the Weather Underground. So, you’re reading it here first.

As to the particulars, assuming anyone gives a fig, here goes:

I have known John McCain personally since 1982. I wrote a well-received speech for him. Earlier this year, I wrote in The New York Times—I’m beginning to sound like Paul Krugman, who cannot begin a column without saying, “As I warned the world in my last column...”—a highly favorable Op-Ed about McCain, taking Rush Limbaugh and the others in the Right Wing Sanhedrin to task for going after McCain for being insufficiently conservative. I don’t—still—doubt that McCain’s instincts remain fundamentally conservative. But the problem is otherwise.

McCain rose to power on his personality and biography. He was authentic. He spoke truth to power. He told the media they were “jerks” (a sure sign of authenticity, to say nothing of good taste; we are jerks). He was real. He was unconventional. He embraced former anti-war leaders. He brought resolution to the awful missing-POW business. He brought about normalization with Vietnam—his former torturers! Yes, he erred in accepting plane rides and vacations from Charles Keating, but then, having been cleared on technicalities, groveled in apology before the nation. He told me across a lunch table, “The Keating business was much worse than my five and a half years in Hanoi, because I at least walked away from that with my honor.” Your heart went out to the guy. I thought at the time, God, this guy should be president someday.

A year ago, when everyone, including the man I’m about to endorse, was caterwauling to get out of Iraq on the next available flight, John McCain, practically alone, said no, no—bad move. Surge. It seemed a suicidal position to take, an act of political bravery of the kind you don’t see a whole lot of anymore.

But that was—sigh—then. John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?

All this is genuinely saddening, and for the country is perhaps even tragic, for America ought, really, to be governed by men like John McCain—who have spent their entire lives in its service, even willing to give the last full measure of their devotion to it. If he goes out losing ugly, it will be beyond tragic, graffiti on a marble bust.

As for Senator Obama: He has exhibited throughout a “first-class temperament,” pace Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s famous comment about FDR. As for his intellect, well, he’s a Harvard man, though that’s sure as heck no guarantee of anything, these days. Vietnam was brought to you by Harvard and (one or two) Yale men. As for our current adventure in Mesopotamia, consider this lustrous alumni roster. Bush 43: Yale. Rumsfeld: Princeton. Paul Bremer: Yale and Harvard. What do they all have in common? Andover! The best and the brightest.

I’ve read Obama’s books, and they are first-rate. He is that rara avis, the politician who writes his own books. Imagine. He is also a lefty. I am not. I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I’m libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O’Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.

But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr.

Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy “We are the people we have been waiting for” silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.

So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I’ll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.
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