What´s the best debut of all time ?

SoLikeCandy · Post by **SoLikeCandy** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:02 pm

Jackson Monk wrote:...the greatest debut ever has got to be

Grace -Jeff Buckley.

Agreed, darlin'. The first time I heard that album, I was mesmerized for weeks. It's a true shame he wasn't able to give us more.

Bob And Charlotte · Post by **Bob And Charlotte** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:56 am

Astral Weeks is surely one of the greatest masterpieces in popular music, but i ain´t sure if it´s a debut album at all (let´s not forget the Them albums and i thing there´s an album called Blowin My Mind or something - but i´m not sure if its a collection or not)

King Hoarse · Post by **King Hoarse** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:24 pm

Blowin' Your Mind, TB Sheets and the other records made from the Bang sessions doesn't count IMO, because the songs were meant for possible single releases only + Van was very unhappy with the results. When Brown Eyed Girl became a hit, Bang rush released Blowin' Your Mind without consulting Van about title, cover or track list. (And then they have been repackaged about a thousand times.)

I agree about Them, though. Their first record is Van's debut, really.

Post by **BlueChair** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:26 pm

Bob And Charlotte wrote:Astral Weeks is surely one of the greatest masterpieces in popular music, but i ain´t sure if it´s a debut album at all (let´s not forget the Them albums and i thing there´s an album called Blowin My Mind or something - but i´m not sure if its a collection or not)

By those standards you could say that Nick Lowe's Jesus Of Cool is not a debut because of the Brinsley Schwarz albums. Sure, Them wasn't much more than a band name for a solo artist, but still, as far as most are concerned, Astral Weeks is the proper debut from Van the man

Boy With A Problem · Post by **Boy With A Problem** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:30 pm

It starts to become problematic -

What about Rockpile, Traveling Wilburys or The Highwaymen?

Husker Du, Bob Mould, Sugar?

The Wailers, Bob Marley?

Box Tops, Big Star and Alex Chilton?

Byrds, Hollies, Buffalo Springfield, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Crosby Stills and Nash, Crosby and Nash?

Isn't This Year's Model a great debut for Elvis Costello and the Attractions?

Bob And Charlotte · Post by **Bob And Charlotte** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:02 pm

when i said debut album i meant to say the start of someones career... for instance, Plastico Ono Band is not John Lennon´s Debut (that would be Please Please Me) ...

know what, nevermind.... if most of you consider Astral Weeks to be the first Van Morrison album, that´s my favourite debut of all time....

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:18 pm

Boy With A Problem wrote:Isn't This Year's Model a great debut for Elvis Costello and the Attractions?

No, that was Armed Forces!

oily slick · Post by **oily slick** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:25 pm

bruce hornsby and the range--the way it is
rickie lee jones--rickie lee jones

El Vez · Post by **El Vez** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:28 pm

Since Mood beat me to Prine...

Guitar Town - Steve Earle
Country Love Songs - Robbie Fulks
Revival - Gillian Welch
Howlin' Wind - Graham Parker
Sold American - Kinky Friedman
Music From Big Pink - The Band
Exile In Guyville - Liz Phair

whar · Post by **whar** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:10 pm

Off The Wall - Michael Jackson
Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Silence - Glassjaw
Decadence - Head Automatica

Kissy Monster · Post by **Kissy Monster** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:12 am

Otis Westinghouse wrote:
Boy With A Problem wrote:Isn't This Year's Model a great debut for Elvis Costello and the Attractions?
No, that was Armed Forces!

Unless this is a subtle joke that I'm not getting, Boy With A Problem is right.

Mr. Average · Post by **Mr. Average** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:22 am

BWAP is 100% right.

bambooneedle · Post by **bambooneedle** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:30 am

Are You Experienced? - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:17 am

Kissy Monster wrote:
Otis Westinghouse wrote:
Boy With A Problem wrote:Isn't This Year's Model a great debut for Elvis Costello and the Attractions?
No, that was Armed Forces!
Unless this is a subtle joke that I'm not getting, Boy With A Problem is right.

Show me where the name 'the Attrractions' appears on TYM! Exactly, Armed Forces is therefore the 'debut' of EC&theA's. I rest my case m'lud.

whar · Post by **whar** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:36 pm

If Otis didn't have 2,000 posts... I'd swear he was serious just now.

Second Stage Turbine Blade - Coheed & Cambria
Cant Slow Down - Saves the Day

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:21 pm

Not quite 2,000, but get this: I looked up in Thomson where the name 'the Attractions' first appeared in public, and of course the useless nincompoop doesn't tell us (precisely, though it seems clear that the name was being used during the summer of '77 tour), nor does he make any reference to the fact that the cover of TYM makes no reference to them (in name!). The funny thing is, though, that the original vinyl labels did say 'and The Attractions'. What about early singles? When did the name first appear there?

so lacklustre · Post by **so lacklustre** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:29 pm

jus co the weren' name , don' mea the didn' exis .

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:37 pm

Too many crumbs in your keyboard.

Meant to say, the CD on-body doesn't keep up the vinyl tradition, sadly, and names the artist only as EC.

Mr. Misery · Post by **Mr. Misery** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:44 pm

so lacklustre wrote:jus co the weren' name , don' mea the didn' exis .

I've figured it out! Solacklustre is James Kelman!

All of this reminds me of a story. It is metaphysical in form.

A traveler arrived just one minute late to meet his train, and sat disconsolately at the station prepared to wait three whole hours for the next scheduled stop. Unexpectedly a new train appeared immediately and came to a full stop before him!

The traveler boarded the train and took a seat. The ticket taker approached him and said "Sir, this train doesn't stop here!"

"I know," said the traveler, "and I'm not on it."