Your 10 favourite......New Order songs

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:02 am

Not your typical EC fan's group of choice, but way up there in my pantheon, with a conbsiderable back catalogue of brilliance, so why not? I thought I'd go for a more or less non-Best Of 10, so more part-time admirers could go for those!:

Turn My Way
Leave Me Alone
Age of Consent
Everyone Everywhere
Touched By The Hand of God
Dreams Never End
Mr Disco
Vanishing Point
The Village
Turn The Heater On

Chrille · Post by **Chrille** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:40 am

In no particular 'Order:

This Time Of Night
Sub-Culture
Ceremony
Perfect Kiss (Substance)
State Of The Nation (Substance)
Bizarre Love Triangle (Substance)
In A Lonely Place
Lonesome Tonight
Fine Time
Dream Attack

Mike Boom · Post by **Mike Boom** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:41 am

Elegia
Slow Jam
Regret
Fine Time
Bizzare Love Triangle
Every Little Counts
Dracula's Castle
Weirdo
Crystal
Run Wild

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:34 pm

Nice lists. Personally I love the original Brotherhood version of BLT, which I guess was the original single too, with the bass drum in sync with the bass beat, as opposed to the four square disco beat of the Substance version which always took from the song's charm for me. I was reading the notes to Retro again recently, hence the list, and noted the description of the creation of Elegia: last night of the tour, party till 4am, then into the studio for 24 hours to create it! Back when they were taking too much of the things that cost you too much.

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:32 pm

For many New Order exist in a context that make Joy Division a footnote in their history. For me it is the opposite.
New Order worked hard to escape the shadow of Ian Curtis. And as those first few releases came out they fell short in my estimation unless they were mimicking those few Joy Division releases. I stuck with them through their first three studio albums and then I gave up. They needed to lose fans like me to make any headway.
Now I am partially rediscovering them as a separate entity to Joy Division and realizing how my own short-sightedness stopped me enjoying some great music.
So unfortunately my list is compiled primarily from those early days and lacks the breadth of others here.

Ceremony (The original single with the 3 piece before Gillian joined)
Dreams Never End (Still the closest they came to showing where a JD 3rd album may have ventured?)
Senses
Temptation
Everythings Gone Green
Cries And Whispers
The Perfect Kiss (loved Jonathan Demmeâ€™s video!)
Confusion
Age Of Consent
UltraViolence

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:09 am

Interesting. To my mind only the first LP was them struggling to break away from the legacy. It has some good moments, but is generally undercooked and unexciting. For me the transition started to come with Everything's Gone Green and continued through Temptation, drawing from dance music in a way JD hadn't really done. I always wondered if JD would have made that journey, or would Curtis have kept them on the gloomier, rockier path? For me it's one of the most painful unknowns in music, what exactly would have happened post-Closer. Think of some of the unimaginable brilliance that could have been in store. Or maybe they'd have gone off the boil? When they followed up Temptation with PC&L and Blue Monday, I no longer liked them because they used to be JD, they'd become a wholly new thing, and I love music from throughout their entire career. I like the fact that they're now playing more and more JD stuff in their set (it's their legacy, who esle can play it?), but howled with contempt when they had the nerve to play LWTUA for the first time as NO in May '83 in Birmingham. How could they do this? That was the sacred past! I have the bootleg now, and it sounds great.

The notes to Retro say that Mesh and Cries and Whispers were mislabelled on the original vinyl and what many think of as one is in fact the other. From memory, the one with 'ship sails out to sea' was labelled C&W and the 'nobody knows' one M, so it would be the other way round. I'll check as C&W is on Retro, and I think it backs the above up. Which were you listing as C&W?

This bears the above out:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/ ... B9001E7CA1

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/New-Or ... spers.html

invisible Pole · Post by **invisible Pole** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:17 pm

Regret
Age Of Consent
1963
Love Vigilantes
Bizarre Love Triangle
Weirdo
All The Way
Run
Mr Disco
Krafty
Turn

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:58 pm

It's a measure of how weak I thought Waiting for the Sirens' Call was that I have 0 recollection of 'Turn' ('turn My Way', yes! genius!) Will have to revisit. Loved the title song. Krafty was tolerable. Most of it was dross.

Nice 10, IP, with you on Mr Disco. They were in Ibiza, it made perfect sense. What a lovely song.

Masterpiece? · Post by **Masterpiece?** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:00 pm

Sort of in order, but I'm not as hardcore about ranking them as with other artists...

True Faith
Blue Monday
Regret
Bizarre Love Triangle
Round & Round
World
Perfect Kiss
Fine Time
Vanishing Point
Mr Disco

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:29 pm

The song I had always called Cries And Whispers and loved is/was,

Below the surface this day I need it light
Inside dimension lies another sacrifice
Once out of reach, we never speak, we never compromise
As they turned to gold the edges froze and seemed to turn to
ice
All flight departures assembled not returned
Left in these passions I looked but never learned
There's hope, you've heard there's life in another world
Sometimes you'll find that truth is never kind
In the ghost lies a portrait of space that time is never here
In the mind of a fallen man, an easy day in another land
Ship sails out to sea, away from me, I just stand and stare
Assassin clears his hands, I know that, and, I wasn't even
there
One day it came to mind we even leave the rest behind
Some day, I know, you get where you should go
There's hope, you've heard there's life in another world
Sometimes we'll find that truth is never kind
One day it came to mind we even leave the rest behind
Some day, I know, we even get where we used to go
There's hope, you've heard there's life in another world

So you are saying I should call this Mesh? I much prefer the title Cries And Whispers. Ingmar Bergman and all that!

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:29 pm

Yep, that's Mesh. I'll double check Retro tonight, but I'm sure that's correct as what I and clearly you have experienced is knowing it from the Everything's Gone Green 12":

Great list, Masterpiece. Like me you go for the double hit of Vanishing Point and Mr Disco.

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:50 am

Bollocks to that! Checked Retro and we don't need to rethink our New Order
memory banks! I didn't dwell on the note long enough when I saw it the other day. It says it was mislabelled in 1987 on Substance. the C&W on Retro is what was called that on the above 12", as per your lyrics. So the lyric sources I cited were wrong. Worldinmotion, a pretty substantial NO site, shows it as Mesh under Substance 1987, with C&W in smaller lettering above:

http://www.worldinmotion.net/neworder/l ... stance.htm

Case dismissed!

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:22 pm

Case reopened! this is now getting mouth-wateringly wonderful with the revelation that it involves a bit of near-Get Happy!!esque sleeve/vinyl label playfulness: looking back at the original Factory Benelux 12", the sleeve does show Mesh above Cries and Whispers on the back as the order, whereas the label is the reverse. It's funny cos I've never seen any ambiguity, but if you go by my GH 'it's the sleeve that counts!' mazim, the above doesn't hold and what we think of as C&W is really Mesgh. Except that Steve's retro note makes clear this isn't the case. Talking of which, case now fully exhausted.

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:25 pm

Apart from noting that the Substance cock-up is detailed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_ ... der_album)

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:29 pm

Better still, this actually explores the above sleeve/label topic:

http://www.answers.com/topic/everything-s-gone-green

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:28 pm

Loved the research you did on this. The answers.com result is fascinating!

Thanks

Mike Boom · Post by **Mike Boom** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:12 pm

Released in Belgium only.

Please the press in Belgium.

What is this mysterious link between classic Manchester based pop combos and Belgium??

Otis Westinghouse · Post by **Otis Westinghouse** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:46 am

They're both northern? It was easy enough to get hold of the FBNL release. Can't recall if it was oine I got in the record shop or had to order (which I had to do a lot on the limnited island of jersey, but generally through the record shop). The Moz line is a withering reference to what would sum up the arse end of the world promo. Belgium suffers an unfair reputation as being nowheresville.

Don't forget there was also Sordide Sentimental, who released the original Atmosphere/Dead Souls single. Heaven knows how that came about. Another research topic.

http://www.wattis.org/exhibitions/2004/ ... index.html