What's everyone think of Kanye West? An open ended question

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What's everyone think of Kanye West? An open ended question

Postby LessThanZero » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:03 am

What's everyone think of Kanye West?
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Postby Misha » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:35 am

In a word?

Ick.

I don't get it. Must be getting old...... :roll:
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Postby noiseradio » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:37 am

Kanye West doesn't care about George Bush.

Musically, I think Kanye has some really intersting stuff. But he's out there.
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Postby LessThanZero » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:32 pm

Does anyone have any specific facts that would disclaim or bolster the claim that George W. Bush hates black people?
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Postby noiseradio » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:52 pm

To be fair, Kanye didn't say "George Bush hates black people." He said, "George Bush doesn't care about black people." The charge was one of indifference, not antagonism.
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Postby LessThanZero » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:47 pm

Then I don't see why that upset people. Considering the context, that seems like someones honest opinion - who cares if it was on national television?
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Postby Extreme Honey » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:51 pm

I love his new video (the one that sounds like a Ray Charles song).
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Postby LessThanZero » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:48 pm

I kind of like "Hear Em Say". It sounds like a Stevie Wonder song...is that an actual sample, altered sample, or someone just playing something like the original?
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Postby bobster » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:02 pm

Have never heard any of his music.

My personal opinion is that West was somewhat incorrect on that broadcast. He should have said "poor" instead of "black." I think he cares about the needs and concerns of all upscale Republicans without regard to race...not so sure about creed, however.
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Postby Mr. Average » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:51 pm

Just another flash in the pan, another 15 seconds, another fiddy cent. These guys make it one round through the revolving door and are replaced as quickly as they break onto the scene. You can count on one hand the greats that have truly broken the mold and pioneered something special. This guy has not, and will be a trivia question in two years...maybe sooner.

Has nothing to do with what he said about Bush. If he believes it, that is fine. But using an artistic awards show podium to drive a political agenda is just plain stupid, and I think it is becoming an irritant for those representing both sides of the aisle.
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Postby noiseradio » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:30 am

It was much worse than an artistic awards show. It was on a benefit show to raise money for victims of Katrina.
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Postby Mr. Average » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:59 pm

I stand corrected. Thanks.
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Postby Jackson Monk » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:06 pm

Borrowed his last album on a recommedation. Tried real hard for several days. Guess it's not for me. No Gorillaz....that's a different story!
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Postby Otis Westinghouse » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:03 pm

Yeah, Demon Days is great, innit? Read an article the other day that said in essence that critics etc. are dying for KanYe to be as different as possible to the average gun-lovin' ho-baitin' bling-totin' rap star, and whilst he's generally much more interesting than others of the genre, he still reflects a fair amount of all the expected cliches. I ain't heard his records at all.
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Postby SoLikeCandy » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:11 pm

I missed y'all.

Anyway, it's easy to dismiss Kanye West as another cocky rapper with his hand on his balls instead of over his mouth, where it probably should be. It's mighty easy to call him out for being (one of my favorite words, courtesy of my Dad) "nignorant" by saying G-Dub doesn't care about black people on live TV. And no one would deny that the boy has an ego the size of Paul Wall's grill.

But he's not going anywhere, folks. He's been around for a lot longer than people think--as a songwriter and a producer. Hip hop in the late nineties and early 'naughts' was, in part, shaped by his sound.

What's interesting to me is that the songs he produced are far and away lyrically different than his own stuff which is, despite being kinda weak sometimes, thought-provoking. While he's certainly not an heir to the legacy, he's at least trying to revive the type of rap music that told a real story about life. I miss that.

So, yeah, sometimes he needs to censor himself (for that Rolling Stone cover, his mother should beat his ass like he owes her money), but at least his trying. More than you can say for Lil Jon and his ilk.
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Postby alexv » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:04 am

I'm with you on Kanye, SLC. My daughter converted me to his stuff. The point you make about his producing chops is important, because I think what gets lost in a lot of discussion about hip hop is that it's a producer's medium ultimately, sort of like early Motown. And the most interesting "pop music" of this era, in my view, is being made by these producers, who put together great records for all kinds of individual rappers who usually don't last. The beats do. Before I get beaten down by our fellow EC celebrants who, like us, have great taste in music, let me just add that when I say that hip hop is producing the best "pop music" of our era I am referring to the kind of disposable pop music that functions as ear candy, and not to EC level type stuff.

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Postby laughingcrow » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:03 pm

Kanye West is ace...College Dropout and Late Registration are great records, and he shouldn't really to be tarred with the label 'another flash in the pan' - he is a succesful producer and artist in his own right.

Listen to the records, they speak for themselves...or turn this thread into another political diatribe.

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Postby pophead2k » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:21 pm

I like Kanye Ok, but for some really thought provoking and literate hip hop, check out Immortal Technique. Just amazing. He's pretty radical politically (Mr. Average, I would not recommend this for you on ideological grounds!), but his command of language is mesmerizing.

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Postby noiseradio » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:50 pm

I think Kanye is better as a producer. His work on Common's album Be this year was fantastic.

My favorite hip-hop album of the year was The Mouse and the Mask by Danger Doom. It's MF Doom and Dangermouse (the guy responsible for the beats on Gorillaz Demon Days). It's a record loosely based on characters from Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. But you don't have to be familiar with those shows to thoroughly enjoy it.
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Postby King Hoarse » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:43 pm

Speaking of Danger Mouse, do you like the Grey Album?
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Postby noiseradio » Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:24 pm

So very much.
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