MacManus & McCartney

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:09 pm

Could anybody give me a complete chronological list of the songs in which Costello and Macca worked together?

I´m preparing a private CD with the whole of them, but I´m not sure if my list is complete (it goes from Back on my feet to Shallow grave).

Thank you everybody.

pophead2k · Post by **pophead2k** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:56 pm

Paul's Flowers in the Dirt album has four EC/PM collaborations: That Day is Done, You Want Her Too, My Brave Face, and Don't Be Careless Love. Elvis sings on You Want Her Too in a duet. Of course Spike has Veronica and Pads Paws and Claws.

Post by **BlueChair** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:00 pm

The following songs were recorded as rough demos by Paul McCartney and Elvis Costello together:

The Lovers That Never Were, 25 Fingers, Tommy's Coming Home, So Like Candy, You Want Her Too, Playboy to a Man, Don't Be Careless Love, My Brave Face

ReadyToHearTheWorst · Post by **ReadyToHearTheWorst** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:36 am

check out the following for info:
http://www.elviscostello.info/disc/bootlegs/mmc.html

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:26 am

ReadyToHearTheWorst wrote:check out the following for info:
http://www.elviscostello.info/disc/bootlegs/mmc.html

Thank you very much indeed.

Now you can be ready to hear the best.

Gillibeanz · Post by **Gillibeanz** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:02 am

Bheh!! I cant think of a single song on these two collaberating that is any good! Paul (or should I say Faul?

) cramps Elvis style bigtime!

Post by **BlueChair** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:05 am

I personally adore most of the songs they wrote together. But hey, that's just me.

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:20 am

So my list would go like this...

Single:
Back on my feet

Flowers in the dirt:
My brave face
That day is done
Don´t be careless love

Spike:
This town (Paul playing bass)
Veronica
Pad, paws and claws

Off the ground:
Mistress and maid
The lovers that never were

All this useless beauty:
Shallow grave

Taking apart the demos and the EC Beatles´versions (All you need is love, You´ve got to hide--- which are Lennon´s, anyway).

IS THERE ANY LACK?

Post by **BlueChair** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:27 am

You're forgetting Mighty Like A Rose, which contains "So Like Candy" and "Playboy To A Man"

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:29 am

BlueChair wrote:You're forgetting Mighty Like A Rose, which contains "So Like Candy" and "Playboy To A Man"

Yes, you are right !!!!

(How could I...?)

Jackson Monk · Post by **Jackson Monk** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 11:19 am

I'm with Gilli. I don't care much for the MacManus/McCartney partnership.

noiseradio · Post by **noiseradio** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:03 pm

I think Veronica and So Like Candy are brilliant. I like Pads Paws and Claws very little. And I'd prefer not hearing Playboy to a Man again.

I don't like the stuff that ended up on Macca's albums. Too slick. But then I don't like much solo Macca anyway.

Poppet · Post by **Poppet** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:14 pm

I do really like the song So Like Candy.

other than that, no comment from me. (been there, done that!)

taz · Post by **taz** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:33 pm

I don't know why but Pads, Paws & Claws grates on me to no end...skipped every time!

so lacklustre · Post by **so lacklustre** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:54 pm

So Like Candy is a fantastic song, definitely in EC's top 50.

migdd · Post by **migdd** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:55 pm

That Day is Done ranks up there with Elvis' best songs. He and the Fairfield Four did a spectacular a capella version.

Who Shot Sam? · Post by **Who Shot Sam?** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 5:18 pm

The only McCartney/McManus tunes that I like are "So Like Candy" and "That Day Is Done." But the success of both owes a lot to EC's vocal delivery, and, in the case of "That Day Is Done," to the Fairfield Four. The live version of "Mistress and Maid" from "A Case for Song" isn't too bad.

Post by **BlueChair** » Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:10 pm

Have people heard the performances of McCartney and Elvis performing them together? Their voices blend together so well.

Jackson Doofster · Post by **Jackson Doofster** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:35 am

Although 'That Day is Done' is a fantastic song, I'm surprised by how many of you highly rate his version with the Fairfield Four.

For me, its unlistenable because he reaches for notes he should have flattened off. A singer has to know his limitations. As much as I love Elvis the songwriter, I have to be honest and say that he is limited vocally and that he is at his best when he sticks within those limits. Another example would be 'Whay Can't a man Stand Alone?' - great song, hard to listen to - and some songs on PFM.

IMHO, Elvis needs to realise that he does not have to be an Opera singer to be a good and interesting singer. Simple is often the best way forward. Take 'Hoover Factory', 'The Other End of The Telescope' or 'My Funny Valentine' - simple, superb stuff but without any sign that he is skimping on emotion or passion.

Now I will request a change of identity from Scotland Yard and leave the country...

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:27 pm

The way I have finally recorded my cd (for if someone wants to copy my idea):
DISC ONE

1. Back on my feet
2. This town (demo)
3. This town (Spike version, with Paul playing bass)
4. My brave face (demo)
5. My brave face (Flowers version)
6. You want her too (demo)
7. You want her too (Flowers version)
8. That day is done
9. Don´t be careless love (demo)
10. Don´t be careless love (Flowers version)
11. One after 909
12. Veronica (raw version)
13. Veronica (acoustic version)
14. Veronica (Flowers version)
15. VEronica (COstello live at Woodstock 1999)
16. All you need is love (Costello at LIve Aid 1985)
17. You´ve got to hide your love away (Costello version)

DISC TWO

1. Pad paws and claws (Spike version)
2. Pad paws and claws (Costello live at Woodstock 1999)
3. So like CAndy (demo)
4. So like Candy (Mighty version)
5. PLayboy to a man
6. MIstress and maid
7. The lovers that never were (demo)
8. The lovers that never were (Off the ground version)
9. Tommy´s coming home
10. 25 fingers
11. Step inside love
12. Baby´s in black (Costello live)
13. Shallow grave(Costello live)
14. Shallow grave (All this useless beauty version)

What do you think? Does the CD get the essence of the relationship between MacManus and Macca (and the Beatle world) or is there any significant lack?

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:30 pm

Oh, by the way...

I am deeply interested on knowing -if someone has any information- how the relationship between them both -Macca and MacManus- goes RIGHT NOW... (for if I´ll have to prepare a third CD someday).

Thanx.

Post by **BlueChair** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:34 pm

I think they are still friends, though I don't know of any recent collaboration between the two of them.

When McCartney was getting set to record his album Driving Rain in 2001, I read a piece online where Paul admitted he considered making Driving Rain a dance album, but went on to say that his friends would have complained. "Elvis Costello would have been on the phone immediately, telling me off," he joked.

Post by **BlueChair** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:39 pm

Jackson Doofster wrote:For me, its unlistenable because he reaches for notes he should have flattened off. A singer has to know his limitations. As much as I love Elvis the songwriter, I have to be honest and say that he is limited vocally and that he is at his best when he sticks within those limits. Another example would be 'Whay Can't a man Stand Alone?' - great song, hard to listen to - and some songs on PFM.

I have been thinking about this quite a bit. While I'm tempted to agree with you, I find I kind of enjoy when singers push their range. Take Dylan, and an album like Blood On The Tracks. On songs like "Idiot Wind", for example, Dylan aims for high notes that he simply cannot sing well, yet the emotion overwhelms his vocal abilities. And in my mind, it's more effective as a result of this. I notice the same thing on certain Elvis songs too.

King_of_Spain · Post by **King_of_Spain** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:42 pm

I wrote:3. This town (Spike version, with Paul playing bass)

And I should have written:
"With Paul playing the WONDERFUL bass".

I think it´s too much saying "that is the best of the song"... but it almost is.

johnfoyle · Post by **johnfoyle** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:56 pm

King_of_Spain wonders -

-Oh, by the way...

I am deeply interested on knowing -if someone has any information- how the relationship between them both -Macca and MacManus- goes RIGHT NOW... -

Guess this old thread on this board can tell ya -

http://www.elviscostellofans.com/phpBB2 ... .php?t=141