'Under Lime'

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'Under Lime'

Postby Neil. » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:52 pm

Thought it better to bring this into a separate thread, as it's not about the new album in general.

Having listened to 'Under Lime' a few times now, I'm massively impressed by the unclassifiable epic it's revealing itself to be: a sprawling diatribe that reaches joyous peaks but also plumbs very dark depths that I shudder to think about.

But am I wrong to think there's been some sort of mastering error here, re the piano? Five listens in, and I'm convinced there's been a glitch that has rendered Steve's piano accidentally far back in the mix.

Drums, bass and voice are where they should be, but Steve's piano, which sounds as though it was intended to be the crowning glory of the arrangement, sounds like it's being played five miles away.

I can't believe this is a producer's artistic choice - this piano track would not fight with the vocal, it would only enhance it and glorify it.

Full disclosure: I'm not Steve Nieve, nor anyone related to him. But I'm a human being with ears (though admittedly with a cheap pair of headphones and a blocked left ear that probably needs more than a few drops of Otex!)

Here's hoping that this is an accidental error on the preview release that isn't on the final mix of the album that I'm massively looking forward to!!
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Re: 'Under Lime' piano

Postby docinwestchester » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:04 pm

Steve's part is buried, no doubt. It cannot be intentional.

Elvis and/or associates, please look into this.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Neil. » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:40 pm

The piano riff in the chorus of 'Unwanted Number' also sounds accidentally quiet - it feels like it should be as powerful and loud as the vocal, for the benefit of the whole thing. But I'm not a record producer, just a listener!

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby migdd » Sat Jul 28, 2018 8:51 pm

The piano is exactly where it should be.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Neil. » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:48 am

migdd wrote:The piano is exactly where it should be.


Really? Even at 4 mins 30 on 'Under Lime'? (But throughout, really.)

Anyway, maybe it's just me! A louder piano would set the whole thing off, be the cherry on the cake, etc - but it's still a fab, fascinating song!

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby verbal gymnastics » Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:26 am

I really like the track.

I think it’s weird hearing Elvis sing the modern day parlance of “he’s woke”. Additionally as pointed out in the other thread, Elvis definitely sings “confessed” in a David Bowie manner.

For the question in hand, most of you will know that I am no technical whizz, but does the sound depend upon which site you stream from? I’ve listened to it via YouTube and the mix sounds fine to me. Admitted I’ve also only listened to it on my iPhone.
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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby bronxapostle » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:07 am

migdd wrote:The piano is exactly where it should be.



THANK YOU!!!! All the sudden, E has many assistant producers here ACTUALLY thinking they shall remix the track before official release. :roll:

verbal gymnastics wrote:I really like the track.

For the question in hand, most of you will know that I am no technical whizz, but does the sound depend upon which site you stream from? I’ve listened to it via YouTube and the mix sounds fine to me. Admitted I’ve also only listened to it on my iPhone.


THIS!!!

can it be the tiny device you are listening it played upon OR the service you are hearing it from? I would bet "YES."
I mean i have listened exactly ONCE from the youtube thingie and i would NEVER think...."oh, Elvis, you have made a serious sonic mistake here." :lol: :lol:

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Neil. » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:38 am

bronxapostle wrote:All the sudden, E has many assistant producers here ACTUALLY thinking they shall remix the track before official release. :roll:


Ha ha - well, I've had my say. Despite the one misgiving, I think it's a fabulously weird and wonderful piece that you can't really classify in any of the traditional categories - in that regard it's a bit like 'Beyond Belief'.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby docinwestchester » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:40 am

verbal gymnastics wrote:I think it’s weird hearing Elvis sing the modern day parlance of “he’s woke”.


Ha! I thought the same thing until I checked our unofficial lyrics sheet (thanks Nunki/ANCT):

http://www.elviscostello.info/wiki/index.php/Under_Lime

"We know that he's desperate and we know that he's broke"

Makes more sense.

P.S. I'm listening with Spotify on my desktop PC with very good Bose speakers and the piano is buried at 4:30.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby verbal gymnastics » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:08 am

docinwestchester wrote:
verbal gymnastics wrote:I think it’s weird hearing Elvis sing the modern day parlance of “he’s woke”.


Ha! I thought the same thing until I checked our unofficial lyrics sheet (thanks Nunki/ANCT):

http://www.elviscostello.info/wiki/index.php/Under_Lime

"We know that he's desperate and we know that he's broke"

Makes more sense.


I listened with my phone up against my ear and you’re right, it is “broke”. Sadly :lol:
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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby jardine » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:42 am

"And the last time we saw him he was out in the rain
Watching the train roll down the track
Now he's back in showbiz trying to make a comeback"

is this jimmie standing in the rain?!

oh yes, of course --my first time through looking at the lyrics, then this
"Jimmy is dreaming as she uncrossed her legs
He shuttered his eyes discreetly"
and it's the same sort of failed show biz life,
under limelight, and dead under lime. wow.

also a lovely tick tocking drum part under
"And the clock on the wall tick-tocked the time away" around 4:10. Gosh i'm loving this.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby sulky lad » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:42 am

So we've got Neil not hearing the piano and VG mis-hearing the lyrics -
methinks too many concerts at the very front getting hearing impairment for these gentlemen!! :roll:
Incidentally, I think Elvis did a very passable Bowie impersonation on "It's Time" from ATUB didn't he ??
I shall reserve judgement on the new album's sonic qualities until I hold some seriously thick vinyl in my little hands and play it on a PROPER music format !!!

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby bronxapostle » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:55 am

sulky lad wrote:So we've got Neil not hearing the piano and VG mis-hearing the lyrics -
methinks too many concerts at the very front getting hearing impairment for these gentlemen!! :roll:
Incidentally, I think Elvis did a very passable Bowie impersonation on "It's Time" from ATUB didn't he ??
I shall reserve judgement on the new album's sonic qualities until I hold some seriously thick vinyl in my little hands and play it on a PROPER music format !!!



Me too.....i will judge when having spun the GREEN circles. Lol

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Neil. » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:10 am

sulky lad wrote:So we've got Neil not hearing the piano and VG mis-hearing the lyrics -
methinks too many concerts at the very front getting hearing impairment for these gentlemen!! :roll:


Ha ha - yeah. I also have tinitus from far too much Elvis on my headphones since my long-ago youth. But it was worth it!!!

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Miclewis » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:14 pm

While I agree that the piano could be higher in the mix; it doesn’t get lost. Steve definely shines through. It could have been completely lost in this complicated mix. It reminds of Shabby Doll a little.
P.S. I love Davey’s very Bruce-like bass playing as well.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby sulky lad » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:58 pm

MicLewis wrote
P.S. I love Davey’s very Bruce-like bass playing as well.

Couldn't agree more !

I think Davey's ability on bass has blossomed and flourished immensely in the last couple of years, the U.K. shows were fantastic for his playing and the Cardiff show particularly shone with very muscular and fluid bass lines and his own take on "classic" Bruce phrases which didn't seem either like pale imitations or cop-outs but were brilliantly realised and in total harmony in Attractions songs and wonderful improvisations in songs like Chelsea and Detectives - without even mentioning his work on the vocal harmonies and backing vocals -I'm truly really impressed !

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Top balcony » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:02 am

Miclewis wrote: this complicated mix. .


EC performed this @ Bridgewater Hall, Manchester last year. My memory ( which admittedly plays tricks on me ) is of a very simple arrangement, one man and his guitar, pretty sure he introduced it as what happened next to Jimmy.

Fast forward 12 months and I'm not yet in love with the new vocal styling a la Painted From Memory. Chuffed that he's given a nod to The Moptops tho ( When the band starts to play....... ). Imagine that this will be great in concert with the band and backing vocalists in full flow.

Fab to have a new album, can't wait to buy it.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby bronxapostle » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:28 am

With the first 4 words, does any other OLD guy or girl like me, think of ITS A LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY???

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Top balcony » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:19 am

bronxapostle wrote:With the first 4 words, does any other OLD guy or girl like me, think of ITS A LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY???


Hi BA

Sorry, this very 64 old certainly doesn't hear "TIPPERARY" in that intro!!!!

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby bronxapostle » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:56 am

Top balcony wrote:
bronxapostle wrote:With the first 4 words, does any other OLD guy or girl like me, think of ITS A LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY???


Hi BA

Sorry, this very 64 old certainly doesn't hear "TIPPERARY" in that intro!!!!

Best wishes

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:D you will now!!! :lol: :lol:

https://youtu.be/XVM-tFAdADg

I bet this is Elvis' favorite version and that he has vinyl pictured.

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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby verbal gymnastics » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:12 pm

bronxapostle wrote:With the first 4 words, does any other OLD guy or girl like me, think of ITS A LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY???


As a 55 year old I know the Tipperary song but can definitely say it didn’t (or since hasn’t even) come into my head.
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Re: 'Under Lime' piano accidentally quiet?

Postby Top balcony » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:04 am

bronxapostle wrote: :D you will now!!! :lol: :lol:


err, nope....

But towards the end can you hear EC's hometown pronunciation of " record " ie "RECKERRED" pure Scouse.

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Re: 'Under Lime'

Postby bronxapostle » Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:46 am

Okay, its only me. The phrasing of the few words got me to to that spot in my mindset...What can i say? NOT a bad thing. Like that group of people that hear BOWIE on the single word "confessed" on this same track.

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Re: 'Under Lime'

Postby Top balcony » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:47 am

bronxapostle wrote:Okay, its only me.... .What can i say? NOT a bad thing.

perhaps you have better hearing than the rest of us?

However I do confess I hear Bowie intonations....

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Re: 'Under Lime'

Postby verbal gymnastics » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:05 am

bronxapostle wrote:Like that group of people that hear BOWIE on the single word "confessed" on this same track.


Top balcony wrote:However I do confess I hear Bowie intonations....

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You can count me in on that group as well!
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