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early bugs!

Postby Ymaginatif » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:31 am

Since Elvis himself is so inclined to point out his influences, here's one that I only just now picked up:

Have a listen to what Jim Keltner contributed to this 1987 Ry Cooder song :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZb2K9 ... oder-Topic
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Re: early bugs!

Postby Neil. » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:48 am

Wow - so did the MLAR song use a sample? It sounds exactly the same!

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Postby Ymaginatif » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:45 am

Neil. wrote:Wow - so did the MLAR song use a sample? It sounds exactly the same!


The CD booklet says that Elvis composed the song 'over a series of drum and tuned percussion loops assembled in advance by Jim Keltner'. Which is true, Jim Keltner is credited for it on the Ry Cooder album.
Did Jim Keltner create the same thing twice? Or did he recycle and fail to tell Elvis it was used before? I have no idea ...
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Re: early bugs!

Postby Neil. » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:41 am

Sounds like it was all out in the open as a known loop!

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Re: early bugs!

Postby Hawksmoor » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:53 am

It's an endless source of curiosity to me - this thing about the bits of a track that backing musicians contribute, and the credit they get for that. I note that 'Hurry Down Doomsday' is indeed credited to 'Costello/Keltner', but that - for example - Bruce Thomas doesn't get a credit for the bassline on 'Chelsea', which is one of the song's defining characteristics!

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Postby Ymaginatif » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:21 am

Hawksmoor wrote:It's an endless source of curiosity to me - this thing about the bits of a track that backing musicians contribute, and the credit they get for that. I note that 'Hurry Down Doomsday' is indeed credited to 'Costello/Keltner', but that - for example - Bruce Thomas doesn't get a credit for the bassline on 'Chelsea', which is one of the song's defining characteristics!


I assume that because Ry Cooder gave Keltner part of the credit in his song for creating this drumloop, Elvis had, legally, no choice but to do the same. That drumloop was copyrighted!
Funny, because I always used to think it had been uncharacteristically 'generous' of him to include the drummer in the royalties check.

Bruce's missing out on any credits for the Chelsea bassline is criminal. Our copyryght system that favours solely the (perceived) author of a song (or its purchaser) is extremely flawed and hugely unfair to a great number of people.
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